julio jr vs wiley
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- suheisoria
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- zup everyone !!!!!!!!!! i heard julito is going to fight on saturday dec 16 against wiley, well da point is dat i have no clue in which channel or undercard he is going to be fighting. ANYONE KNOWS???????
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- Anonymous
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- i want to know too
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- Anonymous
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- They are going to fight on the Aztec channel. I believe on the 10th. I still am trying to find out the details. I will try and find out more info.
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- Anonymous
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- I heard the fight is off because chavez is afraid to fight Wiley due to Wiley being a puncher. I guess one chavez getiing knocked out by Wiley enough. In all reality I think it would be a great fight but Wiley is way too much fighter for Chavez.
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- I heard someone at the Chavez camp got a peek at Wiley and said no way. I guess Chavez a hard time with someone that acually throws back. I was really looking foward to this fight. C'mon chavez you need to step up and actually fight someone that is givin more than 2 weeks notice.
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- Anonymous
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- Is junior fighting in Houston or Albuquerque??!!
Does anyone know? Man I hope he comes to Albuquerque!!!!! 
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- CarolinaBomber
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- [quote="Chuck":19qv91k7]
I heard the fight is off because chavez is afraid to fight Wiley due to Wiley being a puncher. I guess one chavez getiing knocked out by Wiley enough. In all reality I think it would be a great fight but Wiley is way too much fighter for Chavez.
who told you that?
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- CarolinaBomber
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- [quote="jack":3sddtven]
I heard someone at the Chavez camp got a peek at Wiley and said no way. I guess Chavez a hard time with someone that acually throws back. I was really looking foward to this fight. C'mon chavez you need to step up and actually fight someone that is givin more than 2 weeks notice.
who did u hear that from? have you seen the Carlos Molina fights? Jr took some hard shots and took em' well...and give the kid some slack hes not even 21 yet...he had no amateur career hes still got a good ways to develope as a fighter
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- Anonymous
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- Then it is real simple. How come he will not fight?
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- CarolinaBomber
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- [quote="Chuck":3erh8bmj]
Then it is real simple. How come he will not fight?
maybe wiley doesnt wana fight, since the chavez fight hes lost a decision to some guy from morocco whos biggest fight was a KO loss to kermit cintron in 2001...and he got knocked out by another guy who justed knocked out christian solano in 2 rounds...u remember christian solano? junior just beat him too
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- Anonymous
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- [quote="Chuck":1exje5z8]
Then it is real simple. How come he will not fight?
I'm not 'inside' the chavez camp.... but let me take a crack at this one anyway....
Do you watch David Letterman??? Well here's my version of Dave Letterman's "top 10"
Top 10 Reasons that Chavez Jr. will not fight Wiley:
10. Junior(JCJ) is definitely not the same caliber of fighter as the old man and probably never will be.
9. Wiley will actually punch back
8. Wiley is not stupid enough to take the fight in Culican - (which is the only place that JCC has a shot of beating Wiley)
7. Wiley is too smart to fall for the infamous JCJ - take this fight on 2 weeks notice trick
6. Wiley will actually punch back
5. JCJ has been ducking Wiley since 2005... Do you really think that is going to change now??
4. JCJ is used to fighting bums (i.e. Juarez Mexico's Jose Luis Burgos 0-3) - And still barely eeks out (questionable) wins
3. JCJ does not match up well with hard hitting Wiley (which is why his camp has ducked this fight for so long)
2. After witnessing the beating that Wiley issued to his old man - JCJ understands that this is NOT a winnable fight for him
(Wiley was winning on 2 of the 3 judges scorecards when the fight was stopped)
1. ..... Drum Roll......... and the number one reason that Chavez Jr. will not fight Wiley...... (stop me if you've heard this).....
..... WILEY WILL ACTUALLY PUNCH BACK!
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- Anonymous
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- 1. ........ WILEY WILL ACTUALLY PUNCH BACK!!!!!
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- Anonymous
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- Unnamed sources inside the Chavez camp have confirmed that Wiley accepted a fight with JCJ in Texas, but JCJ backed out.
My sources tell me that Chavez doesn't feel "ready" for Wiley at the present time.
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- Anonymous
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Then it is real simple. How come he will not fight?
maybe wiley doesnt wana fight, since the chavez fight hes lost a decision to some guy from morocco whos biggest fight was a KO loss to kermit cintron in 2001...and he got knocked out by another guy who justed knocked out christian solano in 2 rounds...u remember christian solano? junior just beat him too
I'll repost this for CarolinaBomber
Unnamed sources inside the Chavez camp have confirmed that Wiley accepted a fight with JCJ in Texas, but JCJ backed out.
My sources tell me that Chavez doesn't feel "ready" for Wiley at the present time.
This comes from a very reliable source inside the Chavez camp.
I also happen to know for a fact that the contract for a fight in Texas (February 2007) were sent to Wiley and he signed them..... I cannot say the same for Junior. HE BACKED OUT....... period.
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- CarolinaBomber
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Then it is real simple. How come he will not fight?
maybe wiley doesnt wana fight, since the chavez fight hes lost a decision to some guy from morocco whos biggest fight was a KO loss to kermit cintron in 2001...and he got knocked out by another guy who justed knocked out christian solano in 2 rounds...u remember christian solano? junior just beat him too
I'll repost this for CarolinaBomber
Unnamed sources inside the Chavez camp have confirmed that Wiley accepted a fight with JCJ in Texas, but JCJ backed out.
My sources tell me that Chavez doesn't feel "ready" for Wiley at the present time.
This comes from a very reliable source inside the Chavez camp.
I also happen to know for a fact that the contract for a fight in Texas (February 2007) were sent to Wiley and he signed them..... I cannot say the same for Junior. HE BACKED OUT....... period.
unless u name ur sources or where u heard this from, i cant take you seriously, you said urself ur not in the chavez camp so how would u know if chavez has been ducking him since 2005...and another thing chavez had no amateur career, im not saying that it could be an excuse for backing out of the fight if that were the case, but jc jr is 20, wiley is 32, wiley has 40 fights according to boxrec.com, not including his amateur career, chavez has 30 pro fights, no amateur career, and in case u didnt notice carlos molina can hit pretty damn hard, yeah chavez also beat him too. in fact chavez jr's first 5 apponents in 2006 had a combined record of 48-6-1. not bad for a guy whos not even old enough to drink yet without an amateur background
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Then it is real simple. How come he will not fight?
maybe wiley doesnt wana fight, since the chavez fight hes lost a decision to some guy from morocco whos biggest fight was a KO loss to kermit cintron in 2001...and he got knocked out by another guy who justed knocked out christian solano in 2 rounds...u remember christian solano? junior just beat him too
I'll repost this for CarolinaBomber
Unnamed sources inside the Chavez camp have confirmed that Wiley accepted a fight with JCJ in Texas, but JCJ backed out.
My sources tell me that Chavez doesn't feel "ready" for Wiley at the present time.
This comes from a very reliable source inside the Chavez camp.
I also happen to know for a fact that the contract for a fight in Texas (February 2007) were sent to Wiley and he signed them..... I cannot say the same for Junior. HE BACKED OUT....... period.
unless u name ur sources or where u heard this from, i cant take you seriously, you said urself ur not in the chavez camp so how would u know if chavez has been ducking him since 2005...and another thing chavez had no amateur career, im not saying that it could be an excuse for backing out of the fight if that were the case, but jc jr is 20, wiley is 32, wiley has 40 fights according to boxrec.com, not including his amateur career, chavez has 30 pro fights, no amateur career, and in case u didnt notice carlos molina can hit pretty damn hard, yeah chavez also beat him too. in fact chavez jr's first 5 apponents in 2006 had a combined record of 48-6-1. not bad for a guy whos not even old enough to drink yet without an amateur background
Regarding your first comment..... NO, I'm not in the Chavez camp - but I DO KNOW FOR A FACT that the contracts for a fight in Texas (next month) were agreed upon, and sent to Wiley to sign, and I DO KNOW FOR A FACT that Wiley signed the contracts..... I DO KNOW FOR A FACT that Chavez did not sign them. I do know that Chavez's potential purse for this fight was very large, and Wiley's was not. I'm no rocket scientist, but common now..... Stevie Wonder can see whats going on here..... CHAVEZ DOES NOT WANT TO FIGHT WILEY..... PERIOD.
Next..... How can I say he's been ducking him since 2005??? Easy..... It's a known fact.
You seem to be a knowlegable JC JR fan..... and therefor will recall the announcement that JC JR made to the world after seeing Wiley beat his Dad.... He said that he wanted to fight Wiley immediately to avenge his Dad's loss.
WELLLLL...... why hasn't that happened yet? WILEY has been trying to make this fight happen since that time..... why does JC JR always find a reason to NOT take the fight???
I guess at the end of the day only JC JR knows why he is ducking this fight?
I wonder if JCJ has every heard this expression Ponga su dinero donde su boca es??? Put your money where your mouth is Junior....... Do what you told the world you would do...... and fight Wiley.
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- CarolinaBomber
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[quote="Chuck":3w4axsua]
Then it is real simple. How come he will not fight?
maybe wiley doesnt wana fight, since the chavez fight hes lost a decision to some guy from morocco whos biggest fight was a KO loss to kermit cintron in 2001...and he got knocked out by another guy who justed knocked out christian solano in 2 rounds...u remember christian solano? junior just beat him too
I'll repost this for CarolinaBomber
Unnamed sources inside the Chavez camp have confirmed that Wiley accepted a fight with JCJ in Texas, but JCJ backed out.
My sources tell me that Chavez doesn't feel "ready" for Wiley at the present time.
This comes from a very reliable source inside the Chavez camp.
I also happen to know for a fact that the contract for a fight in Texas (February 2007) were sent to Wiley and he signed them..... I cannot say the same for Junior. HE BACKED OUT....... period.
unless u name ur sources or where u heard this from, i cant take you seriously, you said urself ur not in the chavez camp so how would u know if chavez has been ducking him since 2005...and another thing chavez had no amateur career, im not saying that it could be an excuse for backing out of the fight if that were the case, but jc jr is 20, wiley is 32, wiley has 40 fights according to boxrec.com, not including his amateur career, chavez has 30 pro fights, no amateur career, and in case u didnt notice carlos molina can hit pretty damn hard, yeah chavez also beat him too. in fact chavez jr's first 5 apponents in 2006 had a combined record of 48-6-1. not bad for a guy whos not even old enough to drink yet without an amateur background
Regarding your first comment..... NO, I'm not in the Chavez camp - but I DO KNOW FOR A FACT that the contracts for a fight in Texas (next month) were agreed upon, and sent to Wiley to sign, and I DO KNOW FOR A FACT that Wiley signed the contracts..... I DO KNOW FOR A FACT that Chavez did not sign them. I do know that Chavez's potential purse for this fight was very large, and Wiley's was not. I'm no rocket scientist, but common now..... Stevie Wonder can see whats going on here..... CHAVEZ DOES NOT WANT TO FIGHT WILEY..... PERIOD.
Next..... How can I say he's been ducking him since 2005??? Easy..... It's a known fact.
You seem to be a knowlegable JC JR fan..... and therefor will recall the announcement that JC JR made to the world after seeing Wiley beat his Dad.... He said that he wanted to fight Wiley immediately to avenge his Dad's loss.
WELLLLL...... why hasn't that happened yet? WILEY has been trying to make this fight happen since that time..... why does JC JR always find a reason to NOT take the fight???
I guess at the end of the day only JC JR knows why he is ducking this fight?
I wonder if JCJ has every heard this expression Ponga su dinero donde su boca es??? Put your money where your mouth is Junior....... Do what you told the world you would do...... and fight Wiley.
(WWW: NO, I'm not in the Chavez camp - but I DO KNOW FOR A FACT that the contracts for a fight in Texas (next month) were agreed upon, and sent to Wiley to sign, and I DO KNOW FOR A FACT that Wiley signed the contracts..... I DO KNOW FOR A FACT that Chavez did not sign them. I do know that Chavez's potential purse for this fight was very large, and Wiley's was not) how do you know all that dude? u seem to be inside the Chavez camp for you to know all that
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- I know for a fact that Wiley wanted this fight. Oh yeah my sorce: Wiley, I talked to him pesonally and he was very upset and was racing around looking for another fight. We think he found one in NY. Also when the fight was first brought to Wiley's attention they wanted him to take it on a two week notice Wiley said he would defiantly take the fight but just wanted a month or so to get into ring shape. In my experiance in boxing I did'nt think that was to much to ask. Then after Wiley was ready, Jr backed out. I was there when he got the news. So if anybody says differently it is completly false.
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- CarolinaBomber
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I know for a fact that Wiley wanted this fight. Oh yeah my sorce: Wiley, I talked to him pesonally and he was very upset and was racing around looking for another fight. We think he found one in NY. Also when the fight was first brought to Wiley's attention they wanted him to take it on a two week notice Wiley said he would defiantly take the fight but just wanted a month or so to get into ring shape. In my experiance in boxing I did'nt think that was to much to ask. Then after Wiley was ready, Jr backed out. I was there when he got the news. So if anybody says differently it is completly false.
so Grover Wiley is your source?
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- CarolinaBomber
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- u might be thinking of Julio Cesar Garcia, a 19 yr old kid from mexico who knocked Wiley out in 2 rounds last July. hes got a fight in New York on the very same day JC Jr is fighting in Texas. maybe Wiley is upset cause he wants to avenge his loss and he couldnt get Garcia cuz he found a fight in New York with a tougher guy with a 23-1 record, so he back out of the Wiley fight...yep im convinced that you were thinking of Chavez Jr when in fact it was Julio Cesar Garcia that you were talking about. and why are we wasting our time talking about Wiley anyway? hes a 32 yr old journeyman with a 30-8-1 record.
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- CarolinaBomber
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- although i will say this about him, his most recent wins might not come from the toughest competition, ie...Reggie Strickland 58-239-15...Lee Cargle 34-91-1...Chuck Dairy 8-13-1...JC Chavez Sr(43 yrs old at the time) 108-5-2..............his most recent losses have come agaisnt better competition, ie...loss TKO 6th round Chris Smith 14-0-1...loss TKO 4th round Stevie Martinez 45-5-1...loss TKO 5th round Luciano Perez 11-1-0...loss UD ten rounder Said Ouali 16-2-0...and as i mentioned earlier Loss TKO 2nd round Julio Cesar Garcia 36-2-0
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- Anonymous
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although i will say this about him, his most recent wins might not come from the toughest competition, ie...Reggie Strickland 58-239-15...Lee Cargle 34-91-1...Chuck Dairy 8-13-1...JC Chavez Sr(43 yrs old at the time) 108-5-2..............his most recent losses have come agaisnt better competition, ie...loss TKO 6th round Chris Smith 14-0-1...loss TKO 4th round Stevie Martinez 45-5-1...loss TKO 5th round Luciano Perez 11-1-0...loss UD ten rounder Said Ouali 16-2-0...and as i mentioned earlier Loss TKO 2nd round Julio Cesar Garcia 36-2-0
We are all VERRRY impressed by your ability to pull various names and records from boxrec.com or fightnews.com... etc.... that's all really nice historical information..... HOWEVER, You seem to be conveniently dodging the topic at hand (maybe you learned your dodging skills from your boy JCJ??) The topic we are discussing here is the FACT that JCJ WILL NOT fight Wiley.... even though Junior was Johnny tough talk at the post-fight press conference in Phoenix (when Wiley beat his Dad) - But when talk the talk day ended.... and walk the walk day arrived..... Junior was no where to be found --- And that my friend is the bottom line here..... like it or not..... JCJ is ducking Wiley.
You can throw the records and age and any other excuse out the window. He promised to "avenge his Dad's loss"... He was going to give Wiley a beating....... WHY THE SUDDEN CHANGE OF HEART??? Hmmmmmm..... I wonder.
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- CarolinaBomber
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[quote="CarolinaBomber":mdh0il1b]
although i will say this about him, his most recent wins might not come from the toughest competition, ie...Reggie Strickland 58-239-15...Lee Cargle 34-91-1...Chuck Dairy 8-13-1...JC Chavez Sr(43 yrs old at the time) 108-5-2..............his most recent losses have come agaisnt better competition, ie...loss TKO 6th round Chris Smith 14-0-1...loss TKO 4th round Stevie Martinez 45-5-1...loss TKO 5th round Luciano Perez 11-1-0...loss UD ten rounder Said Ouali 16-2-0...and as i mentioned earlier Loss TKO 2nd round Julio Cesar Garcia 36-2-0
We are all VERRRY impressed by your ability to pull various names and records from boxrec.com or fightnews.com... etc.... that's all really nice historical information..... HOWEVER, You seem to be conveniently dodging the topic at hand (maybe you learned your dodging skills from your boy JCJ??) The topic we are discussing here is the FACT that JCJ WILL NOT fight Wiley.... even though Junior was Johnny tough talk at the post-fight press conference in Phoenix (when Wiley beat his Dad) - But when talk the talk day ended.... and walk the walk day arrived..... Junior was no where to be found --- And that my friend is the bottom line here..... like it or not..... JCJ is ducking Wiley.
You can throw the records and age and any other excuse out the window. He promised to "avenge his Dad's loss"... He was going to give Wiley a beating....... WHY THE SUDDEN CHANGE OF HEART??? Hmmmmmm..... I wonder.
im not dodging anything, im just giving him the benefit of the doubt...the only thing i want to hear from you is how you know for a fact JC Jr is dodging this fight, i simply cant accept "oh i know for a fact from a very reliable source"...that doesnt tell me anything...i wanna know exactly how, who or where you heard this from, but YOU keep dodging THAT question(or those questions). it could very well be that neither fighter has a say in who they fight, that happens sometimes in boxing you know...see fighters have these things called promoters and managers. they sometimes have the say in who their fighter fights next. but sometimes ignorant boxing fans take it as "oh hes ducking him, yep JC is definately ducking him". your prolly the same person that said "Oh, yeah, marty schottenheimer blew it, yep, hes the reason the chargers lost, get rid of him hes no good"...now listen...i dont know what the deal is, the only point ive been trying to make here for the past couple of days is back off JC Jr, especially if you dont know the facts. Oh and by the way, thank you for the kind words at the beginning of your response 
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although i will say this about him, his most recent wins might not come from the toughest competition, ie...Reggie Strickland 58-239-15...Lee Cargle 34-91-1...Chuck Dairy 8-13-1...JC Chavez Sr(43 yrs old at the time) 108-5-2..............his most recent losses have come agaisnt better competition, ie...loss TKO 6th round Chris Smith 14-0-1...loss TKO 4th round Stevie Martinez 45-5-1...loss TKO 5th round Luciano Perez 11-1-0...loss UD ten rounder Said Ouali 16-2-0...and as i mentioned earlier Loss TKO 2nd round Julio Cesar Garcia 36-2-0
We are all VERRRY impressed by your ability to pull various names and records from boxrec.com or fightnews.com... etc.... that's all really nice historical information..... HOWEVER, You seem to be conveniently dodging the topic at hand (maybe you learned your dodging skills from your boy JCJ??) The topic we are discussing here is the FACT that JCJ WILL NOT fight Wiley.... even though Junior was Johnny tough talk at the post-fight press conference in Phoenix (when Wiley beat his Dad) - But when talk the talk day ended.... and walk the walk day arrived..... Junior was no where to be found --- And that my friend is the bottom line here..... like it or not..... JCJ is ducking Wiley.
You can throw the records and age and any other excuse out the window. He promised to "avenge his Dad's loss"... He was going to give Wiley a beating....... WHY THE SUDDEN CHANGE OF HEART??? Hmmmmmm..... I wonder.
im not dodging anything, im just giving him the benefit of the doubt...the only thing i want to hear from you is how you know for a fact JC Jr is dodging this fight, i simply cant accept "oh i know for a fact from a very reliable source"...that doesnt tell me anything...i wanna know exactly how, who or where you heard this from, but YOU keep dodging THAT question(or those questions). it could very well be that neither fighter has a say in who they fight, that happens sometimes in boxing you know...see fighters have these things called promoters and managers. they sometimes have the say in who their fighter fights next. but sometimes ignorant boxing fans take it as "oh hes ducking him, yep JC is definately ducking him". your prolly the same person that said "Oh, yeah, marty schottenheimer blew it, yep, hes the reason the chargers lost, get rid of him hes no good"...now listen...i dont know what the deal is, the only point ive been trying to make here for the past couple of days is back off JC Jr, especially if you dont know the facts. Oh and by the way, thank you for the kind words at the beginning of your response ;)
Regarding your question about "the source"......I think that this answer is fairly obvious...... if I saw the contract with my own eyes...... and I'm not "in the Chavez camp"...... and a boxing match usually has two fighters, in this case Wiley and JCJ......and I dont 'know' JCJ.......... Do you see where I'm going with this?
You have a 50/50 shot at solving this riddle..... I'll give you two guesses. :)
(Let me give you a hint..... one of the fighters in question showed me the contract, and I saw him sign it and fax it back to the promoter..... and his name is not Chavez...... Are you catching on?
Secondly....I'm forever grateful for your earth-shattering revelation about fighters and managers! Holy shit bro..... that is some serious investigative work..... How in the hell have 'they' been keeping this a secret from all of us for so long??? Managers and Promoters huh....... damn..... Who knew!! (Nice work on sharing that golden nugget of information with us though!) - On a serious note..... the Chavez camp was 'on board' throughout the entire (lengthy) negotiation process..... the money and location were agreed upon..... and JCJ (or his camp) backed out at the last minute..... either way..... THEY backed out.... I hate to keep dwelling on this "dodging the fight" issue.... but if the shoe fits..... you know what i'm saying.
Next..... Your football reference kinda caught me off guard..... that kinda came outta left field..... but anyway, since you went down that path..... I'll respond. If i'm "the same person" who said to fire Marty... The you must be one of the 'same people' who said, "Nahhhh, T.O. didn't try to kill himself..... he just tripped and those pills flew into his mouth..... I'm only basing my assumption on your comment at the beginning of you post which mentions giving the "benefit of the doubt" - So I'm sure T.O. received that same "benefit" in your mind.... right?
Call me a traditionalist..... but, I'm of a different opinion.......If you make a mistake.... OWN IT...... If you say your going to do something..... DO IT....... If you say youre going to fight someone..... FIGHT THEM>
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- CarolinaBomber
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although i will say this about him, his most recent wins might not come from the toughest competition, ie...Reggie Strickland 58-239-15...Lee Cargle 34-91-1...Chuck Dairy 8-13-1...JC Chavez Sr(43 yrs old at the time) 108-5-2..............his most recent losses have come agaisnt better competition, ie...loss TKO 6th round Chris Smith 14-0-1...loss TKO 4th round Stevie Martinez 45-5-1...loss TKO 5th round Luciano Perez 11-1-0...loss UD ten rounder Said Ouali 16-2-0...and as i mentioned earlier Loss TKO 2nd round Julio Cesar Garcia 36-2-0
We are all VERRRY impressed by your ability to pull various names and records from boxrec.com or fightnews.com... etc.... that's all really nice historical information..... HOWEVER, You seem to be conveniently dodging the topic at hand (maybe you learned your dodging skills from your boy JCJ??) The topic we are discussing here is the FACT that JCJ WILL NOT fight Wiley.... even though Junior was Johnny tough talk at the post-fight press conference in Phoenix (when Wiley beat his Dad) - But when talk the talk day ended.... and walk the walk day arrived..... Junior was no where to be found --- And that my friend is the bottom line here..... like it or not..... JCJ is ducking Wiley.
You can throw the records and age and any other excuse out the window. He promised to "avenge his Dad's loss"... He was going to give Wiley a beating....... WHY THE SUDDEN CHANGE OF HEART??? Hmmmmmm..... I wonder.
im not dodging anything, im just giving him the benefit of the doubt...the only thing i want to hear from you is how you know for a fact JC Jr is dodging this fight, i simply cant accept "oh i know for a fact from a very reliable source"...that doesnt tell me anything...i wanna know exactly how, who or where you heard this from, but YOU keep dodging THAT question(or those questions). it could very well be that neither fighter has a say in who they fight, that happens sometimes in boxing you know...see fighters have these things called promoters and managers. they sometimes have the say in who their fighter fights next. but sometimes ignorant boxing fans take it as "oh hes ducking him, yep JC is definately ducking him". your prolly the same person that said "Oh, yeah, marty schottenheimer blew it, yep, hes the reason the chargers lost, get rid of him hes no good"...now listen...i dont know what the deal is, the only point ive been trying to make here for the past couple of days is back off JC Jr, especially if you dont know the facts. Oh and by the way, thank you for the kind words at the beginning of your response ;)
Regarding your question about "the source"......I think that this answer is fairly obvious...... if I saw the contract with my own eyes...... and I'm not "in the Chavez camp"...... and a boxing match usually has two fighters, in this case Wiley and JCJ......and I dont 'know' JCJ.......... Do you see where I'm going with this?
You have a 50/50 shot at solving this riddle..... I'll give you two guesses. :)
(Let me give you a hint..... one of the fighters in question showed me the contract, and I saw him sign it and fax it back to the promoter..... and his name is not Chavez...... Are you catching on?
Secondly....I'm forever grateful for your earth-shattering revelation about fighters and managers! Holy shit bro..... that is some serious investigative work..... How in the hell have 'they' been keeping this a secret from all of us for so long??? Managers and Promoters huh....... damn..... Who knew!! (Nice work on sharing that golden nugget of information with us though!) - On a serious note..... the Chavez camp was 'on board' throughout the entire (lengthy) negotiation process..... the money and location were agreed upon..... and JCJ (or his camp) backed out at the last minute..... either way..... THEY backed out.... I hate to keep dwelling on this "dodging the fight" issue.... but if the shoe fits..... you know what i'm saying.
Next..... Your football reference kinda caught me off guard..... that kinda came outta left field..... but anyway, since you went down that path..... I'll respond. If i'm "the same person" who said to fire Marty... The you must be one of the 'same people' who said, "Nahhhh, T.O. didn't try to kill himself..... he just tripped and those pills flew into his mouth..... I'm only basing my assumption on your comment at the beginning of you post which mentions giving the "benefit of the doubt" - So I'm sure T.O. received that same "benefit" in your mind.... right?
Call me a traditionalist..... but, I'm of a different opinion.......If you make a mistake.... OWN IT...... If you say your going to do something..... DO IT....... If you say youre going to fight someone..... FIGHT THEM>
Ohhh very nice comeback. you and me would get along well. lets see, you first said this "JCJ is used to fighting bums (i.e. Juarez Mexico's Jose Luis Burgos 0-3) - And still barely eeks out (questionable) wins"...then that backfired when i said this "his most recent wins might not come from the toughest competition, ie...Reggie Strickland 58-239-15...Lee Cargle 34-91-1...Chuck Dairy 8-13-1"...then you said this "Unnamed sources inside the Chavez camp have confirmed that Wiley accepted a fight with JCJ in Texas, but JCJ backed out.
My sources tell me that Chavez doesn't feel "ready" for Wiley at the present time."...then you quickly found yourself in a lie when you said this "Regarding your question about "the source"......I think that this answer is fairly obvious...... if I saw the contract with my own eyes...... and I'm not "in the Chavez camp"...... and a boxing match usually has two fighters, in this case Wiley and JCJ......and I dont 'know' JCJ.......... Do you see where I'm going with this?
You have a 50/50 shot at solving this riddle..... I'll give you two guesses.
(Let me give you a hint..... one of the fighters in question showed me the contract, and I saw him sign it and fax it back to the promoter..... and his name is not Chavez...... Are you catching on?"......you see where IM going here, nice try dude but we both know you didnt see Wiley sign the contract cuz if you did you would have said so in the first place, but you had a couple of nights to sleep on it. and im glad i was able to educate you on the relationship between boxers and managers, that is what i am here for. you still dont quite seem to get the concept though because you had this to say "If you make a mistake.... OWN IT...... If you say your going to do something..... DO IT....... If you say youre going to fight someone..... FIGHT THEM"......i couldnt agree with you more on that, if i were to know the facts, if i dont know the facts, i dont go there. period. like i said yesterday, the whole point im trying to make is back off of JC Jr because you do not know for sure that he and his camp backed out. and about the TO thing that you brought up, i wasnt there, i didnt see him pop those pills, he said he accidently took the wrong ones, but it doesnt take a genious to know you cant accidently swollow 30 some odd pills. nice try but that was a week comeback. you could have at least brought up Romo's bobble snap, or Parcells leaving Dallas. oh and by the way hardcore Cowboys fan baby 
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- let me just say one more thing b4 i finally begin my alg homework assignment. Antonio Margarito, theres when you have a strong case of ducking somebody. i am a true Mexican fight fan and i root my Mexican fighters on(my dad is from Chihuaha, Mex)...but i sometimes wonder whether Margarito truly believes he can beat Williams and i wonder if for that reason he is "ducking" Williams. i cant say for sure he is cuz there is no record of that. the only thing we have is Bob Arum is having him fight Cotto instead. but the point im trying to make is if your gonna call someone a dodger, you got a strong case for Marg. not me cause im not like that, i dont judge someone simply because the fight has not happened yet, your more of a person who would do that. when you hear Marg say "well if he is my mandatory i guess i have to fight him next" it makes you(ppl in general) wonder...even me. im not saying he is dodging him, i dont know the facts so i wont go there. but you my friend, you can. you need to do that for all us boxing fans, go after him, go after Margarito for dodging Williams, you are the true dodging expert, we need you man!!! now back to JC Jr and Wiley...Grover Wiley isnt even required to fight JC Jr...Jr has said "lets do it"(or something like that) nobody has in fact heard him say he doesnt wanna do it, and you keep saying that hes trying to dodge Wiley, a 32 yr old journeymen whos been knocked out like 5 or 6 times. you see what im trying to say here? see the comparison im trying to make? Margarito is someone who you deffinately can accuse of dodging, you can make the case that he knows he cannot handle what Williams has to offer, but you my friend, only you, not me. go get im tiger
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- First things first..... you said, "nice try dude but we both know you didnt see Wiley sign the contract cuz if you did you would have said so in the first place, but you had a couple of nights to sleep on it" -----> I'm not sure what having a "couple nights to sleep on it" means???? That doesn't make any sense to me at all....... I guess the implication is that I'm lying about seeing the contract? Well how else would I know the purse, date, location, etc..? I've known Wiley for years and YES I did see the contracts.... and YES...... the fight was supposed to happen (agreed by both camps initially) -- I'm sorry to disappoint you my friend.... both the contract was signed by Wiley and the fight was supposed to be a done deal. That is until Junior or his camp backed out.
You see.... you exposed the true issue here (in your previous post) .... you said that you are a "true Mexican fight fan" - And in being such you are not capable of believing that your hero backed out of a fight with a 32 year old journeyman from Nebraska. Well my friend...... I hate to be the one to break your heart.... but JCJ is scared to fight Wiley..... period.
Next, you said, "it doesnt take a genious to know you cant accidently swollow 30 some odd pills. nice try but that was a week comeback" ------> I'm trying to understand what you're saying here.... when you say, "week" comeback.... does that mean that the comeback lasts 7 days? Not sure what else to say on that one?
Lastly.... you continue to pride yourself on giving us a bunch of useless information.... As I said before, we are truly impressed by your ability to pull names and records from boxrec.com...... for for the purposes of this forum.... I really dont care about Margarito or Williams, or Cotto, or Chuck Dairy, or anyone else.....
Hold on one second.... let me scroll back to the top of this forum..............to double check something..........
YEP..... Just as I suspected..... this forum is titled JULIO JR VS WILEY........ I think there may be another forum somewhere on the web called, "copy and paste useless information from boxrec.com"..... You should definitely check that one out!!
Oh one more thing bro...... Until the Cowboys dump that dumb ass Owens.... the team will continue to under achieve and implode.
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First things first..... you said, "nice try dude but we both know you didnt see Wiley sign the contract cuz if you did you would have said so in the first place, but you had a couple of nights to sleep on it" -----> I'm not sure what having a "couple nights to sleep on it" means???? That doesn't make any sense to me at all....... I guess the implication is that I'm lying about seeing the contract? Well how else would I know the purse, date, location, etc..? I've known Wiley for years and YES I did see the contracts.... and YES...... the fight was supposed to happen (agreed by both camps initially) -- I'm sorry to disappoint you my friend.... both the contract was signed by Wiley and the fight was supposed to be a done deal. That is until Junior or his camp backed out.
You see.... you exposed the true issue here (in your previous post) .... you said that you are a "true Mexican fight fan" - And in being such you are not capable of believing that your hero backed out of a fight with a 32 year old journeyman from Nebraska. Well my friend...... I hate to be the one to break your heart.... but JCJ is scared to fight Wiley..... period.
Next, you said, "it doesnt take a genious to know you cant accidently swollow 30 some odd pills. nice try but that was a week comeback" ------> I'm trying to understand what you're saying here.... when you say, "week" comeback.... does that mean that the comeback lasts 7 days? Not sure what else to say on that one?
Lastly.... you continue to pride yourself on giving us a bunch of useless information.... As I said before, we are truly impressed by your ability to pull names and records from boxrec.com...... for for the purposes of this forum.... I really dont care about Margarito or Williams, or Cotto, or Chuck Dairy, or anyone else.....
Hold on one second.... let me scroll back to the top of this forum..............to double check something..........
YEP..... Just as I suspected..... this forum is titled JULIO JR VS WILEY........ I think there may be another forum somewhere on the web called, "copy and paste useless information from boxrec.com"..... You should definitely check that one out!!
Oh one more thing bro...... Until the Cowboys dump that dumb ass Owens.... the team will continue to under achieve and implode. ;D
let me spell it out for you, by me meaning you had a couple night to sleep on it, i meant you a couple of days to think of what kinda stuff you were gonna say to me next time you got on here. and yeah i am a true Mexican fight fan, i am also an unbiased true Mexican fight fan, JC Jr is not my hero, he is still an unproven undefeated welterweight prospect, holding 29 wins over journeymen like Grover Wiley. My goal here is to try and stop this (Well my friend...... I hate to be the one to break your heart.... but JCJ is scared to fight Wiley..... period) see right there, there you go accusing JC Jr of dodging the fight when YOU DONT KNOW THE FACTS, AND DONT HAVE THE FACTS. and yeah i meant to say WEAK comeback, not week. that was my bad. that was a really WEAK comeback of you. and the Margarito thing, i was trying to show you a situation where a boxer might actually be trying to dodge a fight, rather than a boxer that has been accused by you of dodging a fight without any credible evidence. and yes i get info from boxrec.com, i do not do it to impress you(but im glad i have) i do it cuz i simply do my research b4 commenting about fighters. and yes this is a julio jr vs wiley forum, we are free to discuss what ever we want to discuss here, i give you permission, we can even talk about music on here. you wont get struck by lighting dude. besides, MARGARITO HAS BEEN DODGING WILEY SINCE THE BEGINNING OF 05'...GO GET HIM MAN! HES ALL YOURS(i bet you wont get what i am implying there either, you dont seem to be the brightest crayon in the box :confused:)
and finally, i couldnt agree with you more about TO...i'd pick Terry Glenn over him anyday, sorry to dissapoint you i know how much you were looking forward to me reading that and going 
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First things first..... you said, "nice try dude but we both know you didnt see Wiley sign the contract cuz if you did you would have said so in the first place, but you had a couple of nights to sleep on it" -----> I'm not sure what having a "couple nights to sleep on it" means???? That doesn't make any sense to me at all....... I guess the implication is that I'm lying about seeing the contract? Well how else would I know the purse, date, location, etc..? I've known Wiley for years and YES I did see the contracts.... and YES...... the fight was supposed to happen (agreed by both camps initially) -- I'm sorry to disappoint you my friend.... both the contract was signed by Wiley and the fight was supposed to be a done deal. That is until Junior or his camp backed out.
You see.... you exposed the true issue here (in your previous post) .... you said that you are a "true Mexican fight fan" - And in being such you are not capable of believing that your hero backed out of a fight with a 32 year old journeyman from Nebraska. Well my friend...... I hate to be the one to break your heart.... but JCJ is scared to fight Wiley..... period.
Next, you said, "it doesnt take a genious to know you cant accidently swollow 30 some odd pills. nice try but that was a week comeback" ------> I'm trying to understand what you're saying here.... when you say, "week" comeback.... does that mean that the comeback lasts 7 days? Not sure what else to say on that one?
Lastly.... you continue to pride yourself on giving us a bunch of useless information.... As I said before, we are truly impressed by your ability to pull names and records from boxrec.com...... for for the purposes of this forum.... I really dont care about Margarito or Williams, or Cotto, or Chuck Dairy, or anyone else.....
Hold on one second.... let me scroll back to the top of this forum..............to double check something..........
YEP..... Just as I suspected..... this forum is titled JULIO JR VS WILEY........ I think there may be another forum somewhere on the web called, "copy and paste useless information from boxrec.com"..... You should definitely check that one out!!
Oh one more thing bro...... Until the Cowboys dump that dumb ass Owens.... the team will continue to under achieve and implode. ;D
let me spell it out for you, by me meaning you had a couple night to sleep on it, i meant you a couple of days to think of what kinda stuff you were gonna say to me next time you got on here. and yeah i am a true Mexican fight fan, i am also an unbiased true Mexican fight fan, JC Jr is not my hero, he is still an unproven undefeated welterweight prospect, holding 29 wins over journeymen like Grover Wiley. My goal here is to try and stop this (Well my friend...... I hate to be the one to break your heart.... but JCJ is scared to fight Wiley..... period) see right there, there you go accusing JC Jr of dodging the fight when YOU DONT KNOW THE FACTS, AND DONT HAVE THE FACTS. and yeah i meant to say WEAK comeback, not week. that was my bad. that was a really WEAK comeback of you. and the Margarito thing, i was trying to show you a situation where a boxer might actually be trying to dodge a fight, rather than a boxer that has been accused by you of dodging a fight without any credible evidence. and yes i get info from boxrec.com, i do not do it to impress you(but im glad i have) i do it cuz i simply do my research b4 commenting about fighters. and yes this is a julio jr vs wiley forum, we are free to discuss what ever we want to discuss here, i give you permission, we can even talk about music on here. you wont get struck by lighting dude. besides, MARGARITO HAS BEEN DODGING WILEY SINCE THE BEGINNING OF 05'...GO GET HIM MAN! HES ALL YOURS(i bet you wont get what i am implying there either, you dont seem to be the brightest crayon in the box :confused:)
and finally, i couldnt agree with you more about TO...i'd pick Terry Glenn over him anyday, sorry to dissapoint you i know how much you were looking forward to me reading that and going
I know what you were implying by saying that I had a couple of days to sleep on it.... common now..... I've read enough of your posts to know that you obviously know a tongue in cheek comment when you see one... I'd hope so anyway.
Your attempt to 'discredit' my statements by implying that I am just "making them up" ...... Now that's a very weak attempt comeback..... or should I say WEEK comeback? 
In fact... it's not only a weak comeback..... it's just stupid. Like I said before, I know what I know about the history of this match up.... I know that the contract was signed by one of the fighters and not the other.... that
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- Okay, so JCJ might not be fighting Wiley anytime soon....so grow up and get over it!! It would be alot more diasppointing if the people who were discussing this were actually older than teenagers... He'll fight him eventually so like I said, get over it and the world will go on!!
Lastly, That should say alot about you if you spend time online trying to diss on a 20yr old boy who you claim ''will lose''..... sweetheart your judgement isn't always right. Soooo, when the fight does eventually approach us, put your money where your mouth is! And for now, put your damn foot in it cause you're starting to annoy the hell out of us!!!
Go to Wileys page and praise him if you'd like but dont come here and act like a tough guy dissing on the Chavez's.... if you dont like them f*ck off and go do something productive of yourself!!
Cry Me A River WWW!!!
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